Ah, that must be why EDUCAUSE said you were full of crap. Because your letter was so accurate.
Although I must say, given the speed of your response, y'all must monitor this blog pretty closely. the things Technorati ratings can't tell you . . . .
EDUCAUSE made the same leap you did, and came to the same fallacious conclusion. We are not equating public and private networks. What we are saying is both public and private networks engage in the same management practices to the same end - to guarantee a quality connection for users of the networks.
What we took issue with is the suggestion that two different network managers dealing with the same issue in exactly the same way have completely different motives assigned to their actions.
what's bogus is to exploit conditions of congestion that result from specific, intentional policies of networks open to the general public that result in providers picking winners and losers based on arbitrary metrics of bandwidth use and prioritized service quality, imposed under conditions of artificial shortages and false tradeoffs designed to pre-empt consumers from making the decisions instead ... the ruse is that the same winners and losers will emerge regardless of whether congestion exists
if megabits-per-second capacity by service quality was priced correctly in the first place and not oversold, a neutrally managed network would either have no congestion or it would appear as a low-price, low-quality option as users self-sorted themselves into categories of heavy use, low use or perhaps no use at all in certain periods - “network management” outside of net neutrality is code for undermining this process
network providers didn't suddenly discover congestion as a form of economic scarcity with ridiculous claims that certain resources are “shared” - it's redundant since all resources are shared at some level in the added value chain - it's the rationing by price or non-price means coupled with clear use rights that determines congestion, and providers are the ones who refuse to sell unbundled service X consistently and transparently at price Y under Z conditions, except perhaps for the highest priced “neutrally bundled” packages
as for real oranges versus cheese doodles in school lunchrooms, an apt analogy would have the school - acting as the network provider - rearranging the menu by throttling cheese doodles except when bundled with oranges, coupled with a metered per-bite (teeth) limit on heavy eaters as others dive in for the all-you-can-eat jello side dishes, turning the notion of a liberal food nazi on its head as they decide which content is “unhealthy”
CableTechTalk:
Ah, so everyone who looks at this who isn't from the cable industry reads this and comes to the same conclusion is just wrong, while you and the cable guys are just right.
Got it. Very persuasive. I am definitely seeing the error of my ways now.
Harold:
Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying text can easily be misconstrued and the intent of the letter was not what you suggested.
The intent was to point out that network providers in different circumstances use the same practices to manage congestion. The fact that cable offers programming on a different device has little to do with the use of P2P restrictions by colleges - which have no such competing interest.
If the use of P2P restrictions is “reasonable” in one instance, it should not be deemed “unreasonable” elsewhere. It creates a morass of regulation and inserts bureaucrats into decisions best left to engineers.
If you disagree with the practices in question, that's your prerogative and we respect your opinion.
Your readers, however, should have both sides of the story. In this case, our intent was not to suggest that university networks and cable networks are the same, and we want them to know that.
Readers are indeed entitled to all views, which is why I generally provide the links, so folks can follow up and make their own judgments. In this case, both EDUCAUSE (the folks who represent universities) and Ars Technica noted the same differences I did, and drew the same conclusions I did.
You are entitled to believe the differences I site are not relevant and the commonalities are. Readers will draw their own distinctions accordingly. That's what makes this such a cool medium for discussion.
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thanks for this important topic!
I've been scammed by Comcast, promotion deal. I have signed a contract to have the three services for only $53.37. I got my first statement was $91.56. They charged me with two fraudulent charges. That never was part of our agreement. I called several times to make sure,that I won't be charged any hidden cost. Now they are refusing to take some of these charges. My phone is register as “Do Not Call”, yet I'm getting unusual calls.. my number is blocked.
In addition I'm an Arab American who's running for Public Office.. So It's double jeopardy of this intrusion!!
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Salaam. nadia
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-- David Cottrell
“The more resourceful we are among ourselves, the more valuable a resource we become to our families, our communities and our world.” --Cheryl Honey
I'm running as a write in for Lane County Commissioner: Please, I need your
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I am the Oregon Representative for:
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That’s a cute metaphor: The Rule of Orange Things. Cheetos and carrots aren’t the same thing, just because they’re the same color.
Unfortunately, Harold Feld seems to have forgotten another rule: Read the Freaking Manual. Or in this case: Read the Freaking <a href="http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/pr...“>Ex Parte Letter</a>.
If you did that, you would find out that we didn’t say that cable operators and universities are the same thing. We didn’t say that “the FCC must immediately start prosecuting colleges and universities.”
It says that we take ”issue with the allegation that P2P protocols were being singled out by cable operators for anticompetitive reasons — because some peer-to-peer applications can be used to obtain video programming that may compete to some extent with the video services offered by cable operators.” In other words, among the allegations hurled at the cable industry is that our claims of the necessity of network management are false and that we’re merely targeting P2P as a competitive technology.
So, we noted that “similar tools for managing congestion have been adopted by other network operators, such as college and universities, that have no conceivable anticompetitive intentions.” Many of these institutions of higher learning and “several do so in ways that are far more restrictive and 'blunt' than merely managing the flow, and sometimes delaying, the flow of P2P uploads.” Some prohibit P2P. Some manage downloads in addition to uploads. That’s their business. But they’re clearing not managing their networks because they fear competition from P2P applications.
We did say that if there must be regulation, that “it must apply equally to all providers.” But then we said that “the far better approach... is to allow different network providers to continue to seek out the network management techniques that are best suited to preventing congestion on their particular networks and maximizing customer satisfaction.”
Instead of an orange, this sounds like a sour lemon from Harold Feld.