My favorite: “Democrats, by contrast, believe that the key to staying in power is to play to the hypothetical middle — which is defined as avoiding controversy or “extreme” positions.” Not necessarily true, but if it were, it’d just be another way of saying that Democrats lack any guiding principles, and simply seek political power by trying to stay out in front of the majority.
LOL, what a load of garbage. Van Jones is a fruitcake, a radical, and has wild and idiotic ideas. Same problem with Lloyd. This isn't a case of making stuff up. This is a case of clearly anti-american - anti free speech - anti liberty agenda, by force, if need be. Sorry he's your friend and you don't like it, but that's life. Expect that wild-eyed radicals will get treated like radicals and we want them NOWHERE near the seat of power. Give me FCC people who believe in free enterprise, capitalism, freedom of speech, and that neither government, nor special interest local groups, have any right whatsoever to squelch it.
Oh, and please... Shut up about “Net Neutrality”. I run an ISP, and “net neutrality” has massive implications that regulators have not the faintest grasp on, that have to do with making a network keep functioning and protecting it against abusers and hackers. There is only ONE issue that matters, and it's this: That if a network prioritizes or deprioritizes traffic of any kind, that it be required to disclose that if asked. I do that all the time, not to control content, but to make sure that normal use of the customer's connection is viable and effective. Yes, we understand that some network providers are also content providers, but they SHOULD be able to offer any kind of service they wish, only so long as the customer can and does know.
Harold,
Your post ignores several fundamental facts --
* Van Jones was defeated in his own words. Nothing had to be 'invented' to create the impression the man was out there on a limb politically.
* You do not need the MSM anymore. You of all people know that. Fact I challenge you to count the number of stories by the MSM post-Sunday of Jones resignation. If you reach 2 dozen let me know. Fact if I was a NYT only reader I would still not know WHY Jones resigned. Tends to mitigate the importance of the MSM as a talking point. The bad news for the Democrats is that their partners, MSM, are a financial wreck. As going concerns many may not be around by the time the 2010 election draws near.
* Granted there are fewer Republicans than there were in 2004. But you did not tell the whole story. There are even fewer Democrats than there were in 2004. Of the geriatric crowd, being children of FDR, their allegiance to the Democratic party is/was strong and they outnumber Republicans as a demographic. That also means that of the 1000 vets a day that are dying the majority of them are Democrats. So what you perceive as a strength is actually a weakness. Independents are the fastest growing political group as both parties have laid unmentionables in the punch bowl.
* As to Lloyd. He has some of the same fundamental problems Jones had. So again his own words will be used against him. There is little practical defense against this line of inquiry. To mount a successful defense one would have to show that total context of the remark to lessen the value of the sound bite. Problem is in the hyberbaric chamber of a 24hr news cycle the respondent is not afforded that luxury. To be blunt, for the average American — “You believe your eyes (watching the video) or the talking head behind the camera?” — typically will not favor the talking head.
* “Echo Chamber”, oh I presume you mean talk radio, because the left dominates every other venue out there — NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, oh and yes Air America. Total up the capital assets arrayed by the Left compared to Fox News and ClearChannel and I bet you will find a 9:1 ratio. There is also the Huffington Post, a left leaning blog, that received the largest capital infusion last year of any blog to date. The Left already has sufficient echo chambers.
* The clear problem for both parties is that their base needs no convincing generally. Neither side is going anywhere on that score. The battle is for the independents. Has been for the last 3-4 election cycles. The deep dark fear for both incumbents is that a nonaligned focus appears that galvanizes that center to the detriment of both of them.
Harold, ask yourself, if the Right wing attack was failing then what was the compunction for the Administration to throw the man under the bus? They could have weathered it. But they didn't why?
JohnMc
Harold,
Thanks for a clear-eyed view of what happened. You're right, I never heard of Jones until his firing.
The wing-nuts are out in force about this, as evidenced by the wacko comments above. What a great way for them to honor the memory of 9/11, by waging their own guerilla war on the truth.
I think your suggested strategy is completely sensible. In a case like this, the Dems need to show the spine they really have inside (once they just try it, they'll realize they had it all along, and it'll feel good). Forget arguing in any rational mode, because the recipients of the message aren't rational. They're already so revved up into blood-eyed rage they can't think straight. And to the extent that they present rational-sounding arguments, it's mostly made-up sh** anyway — as you say, factesque. (This post will likely prompt expletives out the wazoo.)
It's about standing up for the morals one believes in. And, yes, progressives have deeply-felt moral values. Once in a while Dems let themselves talk about them, and they ought to do it more often.
I respect RE for how he can run a political machine aimed at the House and Senate. But that's a completely different ballgame than the rhetoric game being played by the disciples of Luntz and Dobson. They won't go down without a fight, but their bluster is bigger than their fist, when you just stand up to them and smack 'em back.
And boy, will they bluster. Get ready for an avalanche. Here it comes. The pit bulls are about to stampede, with or without the lipstick, just to prove my point.
And a one and a two...
Presto!
Could have said it in five words:
Ds Strategy: Hide the truth.
Hide the truth. That's precisely the wing-nut strategy.
Drown out the truth with fiction, and do it at top volume: “You lie!” The wing-nut poster boy of the day.
All the wing-nut claims are just their own worst fears about themselves, projected outward.
Doesn't take much to turn those claims into the boomerangs they desperately want to be. Whamo.
And the strategery (yes, that's on purpose. . .) of the Left: call names, play the race card, deny, deny, deny.
Van Jones sunk himself saying totally loony things ON CAMERA.
The problem here, is that President Obama has, for his entire history, surrounded himself with questionable characters who always seem to have readily-available proof that they claim to be one thing, but actually are another. There's always an excuse.
I'm particularly fond of the excuses for the Reverend Wright. Obama wasn't in church those days. Sorry, but try pulling the OTHER ONE.
Back when I was but a young med student, a wise old doctor taught me the first rule of diagnosis: if you hear hoofbeats, look for horses, not zebras. Yet, time after time, the Left tells us that they ARE zebras.
Sorry, but that doesn't cut it, even with those of us “easily led” people on the Right, obviously addled by our continued clinging to God and Guns. . . .
Well, let's see: I support free speech, gays in the military, gay marriage, reproductive choice, decriminalization of drugs and taxation of churches. I know evolution is real. Do I qualify as a “Wing nut” yet?
I've also served 24 years in the military, including two deployments to the Sandbox.
Fox is slightly left. CNN is enemy propaganda. And I really don't give a crap if some epithet-hurling, conspiracy-nut socialist thinks otherwise.
0bama is a failure because he had zero executive experience, and is trying the same crap that failed repeatedly in Europe, the USSR and large chunks of the leftist movement in Latin America. You can throw blame around all you want, but ultimately, people decide their own fates.
Of course, the left's strategy is to shout loudly that it is “mainstream” and “progressive” and that its opponents (53% of the population, by conservative estimates) are “Extremists” run by “right wing operatives.” If that fails, a good chant of “Health care now! Health care now!” might do it. Literally out of the Communist Manifesto--never try to argue facts, just make endless ad homine about the speaker.
Want proof? The first response to me will call me a “wing nut” while not actually addressing any facts.
Oh, and invoking Sept 11 for a socialist agenda FAIL.
In order to understand true freedom, one must first go through the transition from childhood to adulthood. Saying that because the real world should be fair, and that wealth/power/control should be distributed by a super-large nanny state is an easy crutch to use for those who are afraid of having to stand on their own intestinal fortitude and meddle. Liberals do this. They are, in essence, children.
Watch, I'll prove it. Someone will quote Mike, or Sotarr, or myself and refer to us as fascists, wing nuts, or some other slur. That is equal to plugging your ears and shouting “LALALALALA” over and over. It's also the first rule in Saul Alinsky's playbook: Ridicule and demonize your opponent to weaken their credibility.
Telling liberals the truth is like throwing acid on them. They net the same result. The same people who want government to redistribute wealth, seize private guns, and take over healthcare, are the same people who could most likely be screwed should a true statist opposition take over. How would you lefties like it to be defenseless, denied healthcare, and made poor because you voiced your opinion? You wouldn't, and neither would we.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Spitball. . .
“Made-up shit” ??
You mean like this:
<a href="http://glennbeckrapedandmur...“>DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com</a>
Those of us on the right merely pointed out comments in the public record. Whereas the left accuses, and then, in small print at the bottom, says ”This is a parody and satire", knowing full well that the Googlebombing gets the web site known, and few will read the fine print.
But, hey, stay classy !!
JohnMC:
I'm not sure we are in disagreement. My point is that the attack was failing and the MSM was weak. Although at this point there are, according to Google, a significant number of stories on the subject. That was why I was considering that the DLC wing simply used this as a convenient excuse to ditch someone they didn't like very much in the first place. And it showed extremely poor political judgment on their part.
Most of the comments seem to believe I am defending the Ds. Actually, I'm not. This is a rather sad sign of the color war mentality that has taken hold. i.e., if you are not one one side, you are on the other.
Harold,
Your Technorati ranking ain't as bad as all that. You're not Yahoo, but you do, at least, have a readership.
Further comments to followw tomorrow AM over coffee (I hope. If I can get my act together before I have to head down to the firehouse for Sunday morning radio & equipment check, etc. . .)
You can now add ACORN to Beck's list of “kills”. Another baseless campaign by rightist wing nuts no doubt. Except there's that little matter of those 2 incriminating videos. You remember them. Where the ACORN workers talked about tax evasion and covering up underage prostitution. And let us not forget those ACORN workers canned and investigated for ballot fraud.
Does that make me a poo flinging monkey as well? A sobriquet I'll wear proudly.
It's so much fun to see the wing-nuts prove my point. Rant-on!
But seriously, why doesn't Beck deny those scurrilous rumors?
:-)
“call names, play the race card, deny, deny, deny” — yup, that's the wing-nut strategy soup-to-nuts. Just boomeranging it back atcha.
“Swoosh” goes the red blanket, stab goes the sword...
Ahmanson's money funded the take-over of the GOP by the loony bin. Unfortunately for them, this has resulted in the implosion of their death star which has been throwing off its outer layers for several years now, leaving only that white dwarf at the core.
They are dangerous, as any cornered wild animal fighting for its life is, but that danger can be managed.
All the Dems need to do is switch to poker and call the bluff, like in the Corbomite Maneuver.
It's a chimera. Half astro-turf and half riled up by big money that is trying to hide itself from detection. But that jig is up.
Time for the sunshine.
OMFG!! That's the funniest thing I've ever read Spitball. You are aptly named. Spit indeed.
Like building with straw do you?
It's ok. We conservatives went through this when the left was frothing at the mouth over Bush and I'm here to let you know you can get through this. Read something besides daily kos. do some honest research. If you try real hard you too might be able to develop some reasoning skills. I know, I know. Independent thought is hard but if you persist in blindly following those who would lead you down the path of insanity you'll never learn a thing.
Yep, I was right.
“Wing-nut”
What is a “wing-nut”? Someone who believes in low taxes, decreased regulations, and smaller government? Someone who believes in strong national defense and lowering the deficit? We offer facts, they offer Ad Hominem.
Ad Hominem is the only “plan B” they have.
Keep it coming folks, keep it coming. You just keep proving my point.
A wing-nut is a nut who's out on the wing, pretty simple.
Someone like, say, Larouche. Total nut, totally out on the wing.
Most of those folks “frothing at the mouth” last month at town hall meetings, especially the Larouche zombies who got Barney Frank on YouTube.
But thanks, Six, I know we can get through this! ;-)
And yes, ad hominem is exactly what the wing-nuts offer all the time. It's their Plan A.
This is so much fun...
Harold,
I love you! I could give you a great big kiss, mwah! You've finally, after five years of trying, put our little blog on wingnut radar! With any luck, we can use their attack to mount a fanatic moonbat counterattack, and that will draw readers, some of whom might even buy one of my books, and all of whom will boost our Google Ad numbers!
Well done, old bean.
Plus, as usual, I like your analysis.
Ha! John, I think my work here is done.
:-)
It's been fun, but I have more work to do elsewhere. So I'll be signing off now. Will be interested to see the “moonbat counterattack” — haven't heard that term before but it is indeed evocative. Rock on!
Just to be clear:
I admire Harold, but he had nothing to do with my participation here. Neither did John, or anyone else with any connection too this blog.
Also, while it's possible for anyone in the world to use my moniker, any such posts that may appear here in the future are nothing more than abject identity theft.
This is another wing-nut tactic: infiltrate progressive forums and contribute outrageous things (left-oriented), and then point to them from outside to discredit the forum.
Masquerade as the enemy and do bad things to make them look bad. It's dishonest and cowardly, but that's how they operate, so you should expect it and recognize it for what it is when it happens.
So, if you see the name “spitball” here again, it is nothing more than a masquerade, a wing-nut pod-person playing around with my empty mask, as if that alone could give them any special influence.
Friggin' little jerk-offs, if they do it, just proving the point again, and again, and again...
Dumb-a**es.
Excellent analysis. I couldn't agree more.
Van Jones was dumped the admin in order to remove what they perceived as a distraction to their larger agenda. The problem is that this generation of McCarthyite rightists has no attention of being satisfied with a victory. They just move on to their next target. So the admin is still saddled with a distraction, just with a new face attached to it.
And to JohnMC, the oft repeated nonsense that the left has an echo chamber in CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc., show me the Glen Beck on CBS, or the O'Reilly on NBC, or the Hannity on ABC, or the Limbaugh on CNN. None of those networks give whole shows over to overtly partisan screech-casters with zero journalistic credentials.
Wow Harold, you really stirred it this time.
This piece prompted me to skim “The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio”, the study that apparently kicked off this mess. I don't have many disagreements with the study itself. (OK, I have some methodological concerns: it isn't clear that they control for the fact that rural markets necessarily have fewer stations and happen to be more conservative, several ranges for graph axes are chosen in a fairly “crafty” fashion, etc.) In fact they probably underestimate some of these phenomena by leaving religious stations out of the analysis.
I support their advocacy for more diverse ownership, in terms both of simple numbers and of demography. I'm not sure that the regulations they suggest will have such effects. More required billable hours of lawyering helps the big company, not the small businessperson. Surely the easiest way to get a diversity of opinions on the air would be to open some significant fraction of the dial (one third, let's say) to legal unlicensed broadcast?
Jess:
I agree with you that creation of more voices is a much better answer than structural or behavioral rules, which are always more difficult to enforce. That's what Low-Power FM was about, and why passage of the Community Radio Act would be such boon.
And yes, I would also prefer to see a “smart radio” solution that would allow for unlicensed, shared use of the band. As I like to say “we will no longer have scarcity when I can set up my own radio station to compete with Rush.”
It's bullshit to say that all it takes to prove that my side is right is one person from your side to misbehave.
I know, I know, I've failed trolling 101 by responding, but that's why trolling works.
NewsCorp --
I only have to say two names — Olbermann and Matthews.
But your view is tilted. The networks I mentioned perform their magic not by commission but by omission. You don't think it odd that days after the Van Jones story broke that not a single one of them had covered the story? Its 'It did not happen' because we did not cover it.
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It is really important to keep the actual Communists aboard to keep this train running.